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17-October-2011 / quantumsniper1

Fluoridation: Does the debate have any teeth ?

(Article, 1211 words. Est. 5 mins average reading time excluding videos)

FLUORIDE:  It’s time to re-open the discussion

Here’s some food for thought.  Fluoride is a known and registered poison and neuro-toxin.

Fluoride is an additive to our drinking water. The fluoride used in our water is actually a waste product from the aluminium and the nuclear industry.

Fluoridation is carried out on the pretext that it is of benefit to our dental hygiene. However, fluoride treatment for teeth is more efficiently carried out by topical application directly to the teeth, and not by ingestion into the entire body where it’s dosage is uncontrolled, and where the effect on the skeletal, the nervous, the respiratory, the pulmonary, and the cardio-vascular system is known to cause illness and side-effects through hundreds of modern scientific studies.

It appears that many of the “official” sources indicating that fluoride is safe, are likely to be unreliable. This is because there is no reason to simply assume that all government funded studies should be trusted as being impartial and objective.  Unfortunately, the government of every western nation is susceptible to corporate lobbying, manipulation, and undocumented political coercion by vested interests who have their own political or commercial agenda.

Furthermore, scientists, universities or even supposedly independent research institutions often have to cow-tow to various corporations or specific government instrumentalities (e.g. the military or the carbon tax lobby) in order to receive grants or maintain their funding.

Click here to see a Search Engine search of the variety of divergent scientific opinions on Fluoride.  Or Click here to see 24 studies on how fluoride affects IQ alone.

If – on the balance – the science on fluoridation appears to be inconclusive to You (Dear Reader) then I recommend you be bold enough to unequivocally repeat to others the fact that studies are inconclusive as far as you are concerned. People in a democracy should not permit misrepresentations about the “scientific certainty” of this or that fact when it is clearly not so.  Currently, we are all today living with fluoride in our drinking water because of the entrenched biases of certain past researchers who may have skewed their results in favour of vested interests.

In light of the numerous divergent results of numerous studies, and the science is clearly not settled, why is it not more sensible to take a conservative public policy approach to this topic and to minimize risk and harm where possible by NOT including it in the water?

How to fix the problem

To stop it, all one has to do is go to the water treatment works, and turn off the spiggott that adds fluoride and other harmful chemicals to the drinking water.

No wars, no expense, no victims or aggrieved persons by taking this action (except perhaps the aluminium industry which will have to then find a safe way to dispose of their toxic waste).

Give the choice as to whether to administer fluoride back to the individual citizen !

History

1.   It has been claimed that Nazi Germans and Russians were some of the first to use fluoride in the 1930’s. They put it in the water in the concentration camps and in the gulags. Do you think the captors were concerned about the dental health of their prisoners ? …

The scientific studies claiming it is appropriate and safe are from over 80 years ago. Are these more reliable than the medical science of today? Can we trust the old science, given that today there are hundreds of studies showing that fluoride is unsafe in ANY dosage and leaves permanent affects?

By way of example, do you remember that – only a couple of short decades ago – we were all told it was “safe” to ingest or use

– Smoke (including passive smoking)
– Vehicles without seat belts
– Asbestos in our buildings
– Lead in our petrol
– Mobile phones radiation
– (or Safely live close to power lines)
– DDT in our homes and near our children
– All food additives, colourings and preservatives
– High Fructose Corn Syrup as used in confectionery and S-26 Infant Formula
– Thalydomide, Vioxx, Bextra, Cylert, Baycol, Palladone
– Bisphenol A

Let as take the devil’s advocate point of view here. If there is only a fraction of the population who suffer an ill-effect or hyper-sensitivity to a certain chemicals, or materials, is it no imperative to have parliament re-visit its old decisions in view of regulating anew based on the new studies and new research?

Claimed Benefits

Allegedly strengthens tooth enamel. But in what dosage?

Original untrustworthy sources (see the videos below) indicate that 1 ppm (part per million) was safe. Even if that truly were a safe dosage, how certain are we that people are receiving a safe dosage under 1 ppm ?

Dosage levels

Do YOU still trust this figure of 1ppm as a safe dosage?

Is there ANY doctor or medical professional that claims it is NOT a neuro-toxin in dosages of over   > 1 ppm (part per million).

Would you give an uncontrolled dose of ANY medicine to your infants or children?

Who controls the DOSAGE we receive every day? Particularly so, if fluoride can be found in the drinking water AND in –

  • any processed / preserved food containing water; bottled, boxed, bagged or canned foods, milks, soft drinks.
  • baby formula
  • the shower steam we breathe.
  • the toothpaste and mouthwash we use to clean our teeth
  • the tap water we clean with, cook with, and for washing the food we prepare and eat.

Claimed Dangers / Detriments

Fluoride is claimed to be toxic or poisonous, and to cause at least some of the following as either direct effects, or side-effects :

Cancers (bowel, brain), ADHD (Attention Deficit Hyperactive Disorder), Brain and Mental Deterioration (including lowered IQ), Rheumatism, Emphysema, Chronic Fatigue Syndrome, Asthma, Arthritis, Dental Fluorosis, Diabetes, Kidney Disease, Fibromyalgia, Food Intolerances, Irritable Bowel Syndrome, Gum Disease, Heart Palpitations, Thyroid Diseases, Tooth discolouration.

Medicos and scientists who DON’T have a vested interest may wish to read ”Safety Card” – on the MSDS Site (Materials Safety Data Sheets) and Here

What about the effects of Fluoride compounds, and in combination with other chemicals. Have there been enough studies on this?

Legal

Did you know that it is apparently illegal to bring a Supreme Court Case against fluoride in Victoria since 1994? See Here.

There was also a legislative Bill submitted (but thankfully not passed into law) in the Tasmanian Parliament in 1995 to prohibit public meetings and gatherings to discuss issues pertaining to fluoridation?

Worldwide Activism

Why have over eleven industrialized countries banned the use of flouride (inc. Japan, Denmark, Germany, China) and including 98% of Western Europe?

Why is this chemical imposed on Australian citizens indiscriminately as if it were a medication, rather than allowing the population to choose it, or the size of any dose ourselves?

Videos. (For those who don’t like reading so much)

Here below is a three-part, quiet, sensible overview of the history and dangers of fluoride.

You don’t have to watch it all at once. Each part is 10 minutes long. Come back and watch the rest in your own good time. But PLEASE actually watch it all.

Then you can go away and do your own research on Youtube.com or google.com using the keywords “fluoride research”, or “fluoridation”

These are the facts as I see them.

– QuantumSniper

— TURN OFF THE SPIGGOT —

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  1. Max Power / Oct 17 2011 2:32 PM

    On the one hand, in North America — sea salt is being increasingly used as a food additive … and it has Fluoride salts.

    On the other, the Australian law making it be not legally possible for Fluoride cases to be heard by the High Court — totally ignores that ‘in essence Fluoride is a food additive’ by its use of tap water in food manufacturing processes in Australia. Somewhere in there it is not constitutional.

    Wikipedia says this :

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fluoride

    Natural occurrence

    Many fluoride minerals are known, but of paramount commercial importance are fluorite and fluorapatite. Fluoride is found naturally in low concentration in drinking water and foods.

    Waters from underground sources are more likely to have higher levels of fluoride, whereas the concentration in seawater averages 1.3 parts per million (ppm).

    Fresh water supplies generally contain between 0.01–0.3 ppm, whereas the ocean contains between 1.2 and 1.5 ppm.

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    It is probably not wise for Human dietary consumption of Florine to be more than the average for seawater. Preferably, slightly lower is probably better.
    ============

  2. Peter / Mar 29 2013 11:14 AM

    In Queensland at the moment some Councils are giving the ratepayers the right to vote as to whether they want Flouride in their water. Let us demand this right ourselves.

    • quantumsniper1 / Apr 7 2013 1:29 PM

      Peter
      I strongly commend that you feel passionate. But its NOT ENOUGH my friend. DO more.

      TELL EVERYONE! Commitment of purpose should not be hidden in the shadows.

      Get together a group of like-minded people to influence the decision-makers in local council (refer them first to read my article, and others if you wish so their ignorance isnt the impediment).

      THINK POSITIVELY about making some activist phone calls to your local council member, or even council workers for some clues on who are the movers and shakers.

      Also connect with the local newspaper, and with wealthy or influential / high profile people, clubs, jaycees in your community. Even the guys at the local golf or footy club.

      Only massive numbers making the lives of council members a misery will change anything. And dont forget to be constantly vigilant.

      You might succeed in the first round, but the people trying to poison you with Fluoride will try again later, when they think you are sleeping or looking the other way.
      Make Good luck happen!
      – QuantumSniper.

  3. omgfailsauce / Apr 16 2014 2:21 PM

    You probably drive, don’t you? Your car produces exhaust fumes that poison my children. BAN ALL CARS! Also, my wife is allergic to feathers. EUTHANIZE ALL THE BIRDS! Oh, and one time I saw some weekend warrior make a Molotov Cocktail. BAN ALL FLAMMABLE LIQUIDS!

    • quantumsniper1 / Apr 17 2014 4:29 AM

      17-Apr-2014
      Hi omgfailsauce, aka. anonymous, aka ccurrier@gmail.com,

      Hmm. I must say I am impressed with the extraordinarily deep level to which your confusions run. Are you sure you are not just a paid internet troll? Who exactly IS Shaw Communications? (See http://whois.arin.net/rest/ip/24.66.40.151 ) and why do they let you waste their internet resources?

      Anyway; Let’s be realistic; You are not a particularly good thinker, are you? Diagnosis: It may be the fluoride you are sucking down every day.

      Here’s the problem, Bub: Your arguments are incendiary, divorced from pragmatism and reality, rationally inconsistent, full of logical fallacies, governed by the anguish of either feigned or real paranoia, and apparently driven by a desire to silence me because I have dared raise questions for which your only meaningful stereotyped-stimulus-response is to shield yourself with the stinking corpse of Denial.

      Perhaps this blog isn’t for you. Can I simply and politely say: Go away and watch some football and drink some beer. (BTW; Beer has fluoride in it too.) Otherwise, I think all this geo-political research, and real questions about who you are, what your civic role is, and where you fit into society, will just make your head hurt.

      I am not your enemy. And I am certainly not interested in your personal arrogance, or insecurities. Nevertheless, for others who may be slightly confused about the ‘reasoning’ you’ve ejaculated forth; here is my rejoinder —

      1. Does the government force you or me to drive our cars? Well it seems to FORCE fluoride medication on all of us.

      2: In driving my car, my pollution is created by poisonous fuel that either the market or the government gives me no alternative but to buy.

      3. We don’t need to ban cars, but we could buy/promote technologies that make them cleaner.

      4. Sorry about your wife’s allergy. Birds and feathers are not her problem, though. Most likely, her allergies are brought about by low immuno-suppressence in her metabolism. Its very probable that GMO’s and artificial chemical toxins in her environment are whats causing this. (see Article: http://www.thelancet.com/journals/laneur/article/PIIS1474-4422%2813%2970278-3/abstract).

      5. Birds are from nature. Humans are from nature. Theoretically we should be able to co-habit. Pretty Please don’t euthanize the birds!

      6. And JUST WHAT were you doing in the first place, watching all those subversive Youtube videos with weekend warriors manufacturing Vyacheslav Molotov Cocktails? Are you some kind of TERRORIST? Maybe we should call an FBI SWAT Team out to your house to stop you from playing with matches?

      7. I note you have accused me of being “…a moron if you think the government is actually TRYING t o poison you.” Goodness! I may well be a moron if I THOUGHT the government was TRYING to poison me. But I KNOW for a fact that fluoride IS UNQUESTIONABLY a poison ! And if that’s so, why would the government (whom you obviously trust with your big brown lamb-eyes), PERMIT ANY POISONS in the drinking water, and in our fuels to begin with? Might it be that corporate and military-industrial lobbyists with oodles of money pay to stifle political dissent?

      8. Did you know that the U.S. Government has actively stifled / black-shelved over 5000 patents on alternative energy systems since the 1950’s, including free energy systems?

      Why would the U.S. Government and its string-pullers DO such a thing I wonder? They claim its for national security, because the “Government” wants to protect us all against these nasty alleged terrorists. So …. Are YOU the one who is ACTING ON MY BEHALF WITHOUT MY PERMISSION to give up our god-given rights, and our inalienable freedoms, to access things like free energy? You silly sausage, you!

      As Forrest Gump says: “That’s all I’ve got to say about that!”
      – QuantumSniper

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